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What is in a Name? Fousek or Griffon?


Fullblood Griffons were brought to North America in the Early 1900's

For decades, Fullblood Griffons have been proven as an ideal versatile hunting dog for the walking hunter in Europe and in North America

Fullblood Griffons have many character and hunting traits that are unique to the breed.

The majority of North American breeders and owners of Fullblood Griffons have kept their Fullblood Griffons away from the WPGCA Cross-Breeding program

Not all WPGCA members are involved in the cross-breeding program.

The WPGCA cross-breeds cannot be registered by the FCI, AKC, CKC, NAVHDA or FDSB and so cannot enter the Fullblood Griffon Gene Pool.

The WPGCA cross-breeds cannot be field tested in AKC, CKC, NAVHDA or FDSB sanctioned events.

The Fullblood Cesky Fousek has already been used to create another breed... the Slovensky Pointer was developed by first crossing the Cesky Fousek with the German Wirehair, then breeding those with the Weimaraner. This breed was recognised by the International Cynoligical Federation (FCI) in the early 1980's.

Wirehaired Pointing Griffon

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What do you need to know?


There are two "Wirehaired Pointing Griffon" clubs in the USA,

One promotes and supports the breeding of Fullblood Wirehaired Pointing Griffons.......

The other club crosses the Fullblood Wirehaired Pointing Griffon with the Cesky Fousek. Some members of this club have Fullblood Wirehaired Pointing Griffons, and some members have Cesky Fouseks, and some have the crosses.

The Fullblood Griffons supported by the first club are registered as "Wirehaired Pointing Griffons" and the cross-breds produced by the second club's cross-breeding program are also presented as "Wirehaired Pointing Griffons".

This means that as well as guarding against a split.... between Field and Show, or between types within the breed standard. Enthusiasts of the Fullblood Wirehaired Pointing Griffon must educate those interested in our breed and prevent it from being confused with the cross-breed called by the same name.

What can you do?

Become Informed.

This page is offered in an effort to provide some basic background information on this controversy. It is meant to present the information on the clubs and on the breeds in a positive light. Hopefully, some time in the future, the two breeds will have separate names.



Where the controversy started.....

Back in the 1980's, a group of Griffon Breeders in the WPGCA (Wirehaired Pointing Griffon Club of America) were conducting a breeding system where approved club dogs would be bred to other approved club dogs. Club Breeding dogs and entire litters were (and still are) put through hunt tests. At one point or another during this breeding/testing program, the WPGCA found that some of the Griffons produced were not the quality that they were looking for.

After researching many different options, the WPGCA took a dramatic step ...... The WPGCA decided to cross breed their club's Fullblood Griffons with another breed of dog, the Cesky Fousek.

Some of the WPGCA's Fullblood Griffon Enthusiasts spoke out against the proposed crossbreeding, and in fact a few of them started a separate club dedicated only to the Fullblood Wirehaired Pointing Griffon. This new club was called the AWPGA (American Wirehaired Pointing Griffon Association) and it became the AKC representative for the breed in the United States of America. The AWPGA supporters have continued true to the Fullblood Wirehaired Pointing Griffon as Korthals set the breed.

The supporters of the WPGCA cross-breeding program are equally dedicated to their cause. There are those who have stated that the WPGCA cross-breed is exactly what they were hoping to produce and that it is here to stay. They continue with the excellent system of testing breeding stock and litters. While the WPGCA has talented people who are dedicated to the cross-breeding program, the issue for which the WPGCA comes under fire is their policy of cross breeding Fullblood Wirehaired Pointing Griffons with Cesky Fouseks and calling the offspring Wirehaired Pointing Griffons.

So, this is the main source of conflict and controversy, the fact is that the WPGCA continues to call it's new cross-breed a Wirehaired Pointing Griffon.

What is Griffonpoint's view on this controversy?

Since 1989, we have lived with and hunted with many excellent Griffons of different bloodlines, and because of this we maintain that (had they chosen to) the WPGCA could have improved it's club breeding program with Fullblood Griffons.

Very importantly, it is our view that the WPGCA should in all fairness, stop presenting their crossbreeds as Wirehaired Pointing Griffons. A cross between a Fullblood Griffon and any other breed may show some of the unique hunting and character traits of the Fullblood Wirehaired Pointing Griffon, however, it is no longer a Wirehaired Pointing Griffon and must not be presented as one. The Cesky Fousek X Griffon should take his place in the world of hunting dogs and be awarded his own name.

It is in the best interest of the Fullblood Wirehaired Pointing Griffon that those who are knowledgeable and responsible breeders and stewards of Fullblood Wirehaired Pointing Griffons take time and resources to offer information to those interested in hunting with Griffons. Those affected by this conflict must deal with each other openly and in a civilized manner, perhaps our breed will be re-united or a change of name will be arranged.




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Alberta/British Columbia, Canada


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